You know something that I have noticed? I know and have known a lot of guys who are practiced marksman, hardened vets, and survivalists. A lot of them are confident and would probably risk their own lives in a gunfight. These very same people are some of the coolest heads and voices when it comes to restraining political violence. "Never act unless you are sure you have no other choice." That might sound like a contradiction to what I said above but it is not. Those most capable of violence often are the ones who most understand its seriousness. You know who the loudest assholes casually calling for violence are? Dipshits who have never held a gun or been in a fight in their life and think they will never be affected by it. I hate ANTIFA types who think violence is a game because they have never suffered any consequences and I hate the little Groypers hiding behind their keyboards who declare that "nothing will ever happen" because some gun guys won't go on mass political assassination sprees over minor political setbacks. Hell, I also hate managerial class goons who celebrate death and destruction overseas but will never be the ones there on the ground. Fuck all these guys.
I learned a long time ago not to trust any politician. So I don’t vote for the man, I vote for the party. I vote for the party that upholds the values I hold dear. And I encourage everyone to do the same. Whether that’s the Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, just be honest with yourself. Don’t vote for a party because someone else told you to or because you heard it in the news somewhere. Vote for your principles. Politicians come and go.
Well said Phisto, I agree with everything you said. All those leftists pushing for this very thing and especially since the SCOTUS decision recently? The ones who said Biden should take out Trump and his supporters with the military if necessary? They followed through and acted on it tonight.
Please quit misusing the word “leftist.” Neither Blue Maga nor the democratic party are, by any stretch of the imagination “leftist.” The “left” in the US has been defanged to the point of political irrelevance- and no one from the actual left is in any real position of power.
Would you prefer communist? What’s your qualifications for being the arbiter of language and the interweb coroner whose baseless claim of the left) being dead is supposed to have authority?
Because words have meanings. The “left” does not embrace the political elite, nor cheer war, nor heap adoration on capitalism or the capitalist class. Liberals aren’t leftists.
@S.L. Is right tho. The word @WFSL_TheFossil is looking for is “liberal”. Leftists have always been adamantly opposed to the DNC as a political arm of the ruling elite. They only vote democrat out of fear of the RNCs brand of the ruling elite. They’re not communists either.
P.S. How ironic you threaten us with bans. Are you trying to censor us?
One cannot be both a leftist and a capitalist. Democrats are definitely capitalists--look at where their money comes from FFS!--therefore they are not leftists, no matter what they or you or anyone else labels them.
They're kleptocratic, oligarchical, and tyrannical assholes, and they deserve every ounce of disdain you can hurl at them, but they are not leftists.
You might be surprised at how much in common you have with actual leftists.
Trump already had four years. Weak sauce administration, as you pointed out yesterday, when you were presumably sober. No drained swamp. No disassembled oligarchy. Considerable derangement on the left, which was a bad thing then and continues to be bad.
Neither of these craven, corrupt, rapidly-imploding political machines, or the pathetic presidents they have hawked up, stands for anything our forebears would recognize as an American value. Sitting on a fence is a perfectly admirable strategy to keep from being mired in bull's shit.
Not trying to change youre mind (because I know nothing will) but it’s really funny how you’re gut reaction is correct (to vote for “us”) is followed up by an absolutely idiotic decision to vote for the Republican nominee. The RNC and DNC are just two sides of the ruling elite that don’t have ANY of our interests in mind. The more thoughtful decision would be to vote 3rd party and begin a United movement to dethrone the duopoly. What would George Washington do? The man who warned us all along about two party systems
Here I am a fool in every sense of the word speaking in my words to save the fence sitters. So here we go point by point 24hrs later.
No one, no one is avoiding the "attempted assassination" phrase including all media and the current administration up to Joe Biden.
There is no 'they' seeking power in this case other than a misguided 20 year old with his hands on an AK 47 type assault weapon at about 500' away from trump. I am certainly not one of 'they'.
Yes, you are hyperbolic (Language that exaggerates or overstates the truth, (for those not knowing this term)) because of your assumptions about all the rest of us. But yes we should be outraged and have the occasion to be outraged everyday from gun violence and the lack of gun control measures and enforcement. Yes I know about the second amendment and its convoluted interpretation. The second responsibility of a national government after national defense is the protection of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. None of which the slain firefighter's family have right now. That fireman was in no one's way and neither am I.
Yes, a lying sociopath is that dude. You absolutely cannot believe anything he says. As an example, listen to what he accuses others of doing and think if that accusation does not define trump's actions. As the president he is that big of a threat. We do not condone assassination, but we do condone voting. Voting against trump is the way to avoid a premature disaster. Let the universe handle disasters. Waiting for him to pull some "hitler bullshit" is not the answer. Do not be a Neville Chamberlain and hold your nose while you vote. Voting for trump due to the actions of a misguided 20-year-old is not a measure of standing up for yourself.
Voting because of altruistic desires for your family your community and your culture and of responsible action towards our "small blue dot" is standing up for yourself. So who do we vote for?
There are oligarchic cronies and idiots in both parties. Both the individual character of the president and the party agenda is what we vote for based on my experience of soon to be voting in my 15th presidential election.
So let us use voting records as indication of character. Joe Biden has years of public policy voting records. You may not agree with all of them but there is a record for determining his character. With trump we have the apprentice, Miss Universe Pageant (mostly personal votes on which candidate to grab) and votes by proxy from the existing Supreme Court. You have to decide about these voting records without holding your nose and certainly not behaving by seeing no evil, hearing no evil and speaking no evil.
Party agendas are revealed by these votes. Do you want someone else deciding your personal rights (republicans) or liberty and justice for all (democrats)?
The one aspect of all of this we do agree on is to vote. 65-70 % of registered voters participate in presidential elections. With a 51% margin of victory, it means either candidate represents 32-35% of the voters. Now there's a case of this shit definitely don’t fly.
This event should scare the hell out of every American. Regardless of political affiliation. How much more evidence do people need to understand our government will do what it damn well pleases and don’t get in the way.
Fair enough! Thanks for acknowledging (not in so many words, but still) that Trump is a 1980s blowhard Democrat. That really helps me ascertain whether you just think he's actually a good man.
I’m at work, but I’ll do my proper response to this later. No I will not argue that Biden (or any Phag the DNC puts up there) is a better vote. Still though, ya’ll might wanna sharpen your pitchforks and soak those torches in something flammable.
That’s honest. If I was Dems/Overlords, I would not take a chance on missing. Because. Martyrdom.
I will say this thesis more than once: Dems willing to cede the election, so they can seed chaos. Like way more than George Floyd/BLM shit. If Trump is elected (I don’t see how he can’t be now), then chaos ensues. Couple cities burn. Trump looks like he can’t control shit. Dems to the rescue in 2028. Many thing can go wrong with that. God knows what you trigger, or what backfires.
There are only two possible explanations for leaving an open elevated platform 125 yards from Trump -- gross incompetence or willful complicity.
If it's the latter, it will be treated as the former and a few agents will get thrown under the bus for following orders. If it's the former, the same thing will happen.
As for the shooter, he obviously did some planning for it. That doesn't exclude mental illness, as lots of floridly insane people have an unbreakable focus on their idee fixé. And whether or not he had a diagnosis or a prescription, mentally stable people generally don't decide to assassinate political figures.
This race isn’t really about Trump. It’s actually about the VP. In the arena of morality, character, competence, and positive direction of travel, the contest between Vance and Harris isn’t even in the same universe.
You know something that I have noticed? I know and have known a lot of guys who are practiced marksman, hardened vets, and survivalists. A lot of them are confident and would probably risk their own lives in a gunfight. These very same people are some of the coolest heads and voices when it comes to restraining political violence. "Never act unless you are sure you have no other choice." That might sound like a contradiction to what I said above but it is not. Those most capable of violence often are the ones who most understand its seriousness. You know who the loudest assholes casually calling for violence are? Dipshits who have never held a gun or been in a fight in their life and think they will never be affected by it. I hate ANTIFA types who think violence is a game because they have never suffered any consequences and I hate the little Groypers hiding behind their keyboards who declare that "nothing will ever happen" because some gun guys won't go on mass political assassination sprees over minor political setbacks. Hell, I also hate managerial class goons who celebrate death and destruction overseas but will never be the ones there on the ground. Fuck all these guys.
Exactly right.
Fuck em all.
I learned a long time ago not to trust any politician. So I don’t vote for the man, I vote for the party. I vote for the party that upholds the values I hold dear. And I encourage everyone to do the same. Whether that’s the Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, just be honest with yourself. Don’t vote for a party because someone else told you to or because you heard it in the news somewhere. Vote for your principles. Politicians come and go.
At the end of the day, vote your conscience. Yes.
Take attempted assassination into that calculus is my only request here. Which I’m sure you do.
He already had my vote, but yes.
Well said Phisto, I agree with everything you said. All those leftists pushing for this very thing and especially since the SCOTUS decision recently? The ones who said Biden should take out Trump and his supporters with the military if necessary? They followed through and acted on it tonight.
Please quit misusing the word “leftist.” Neither Blue Maga nor the democratic party are, by any stretch of the imagination “leftist.” The “left” in the US has been defanged to the point of political irrelevance- and no one from the actual left is in any real position of power.
Would you prefer communist? What’s your qualifications for being the arbiter of language and the interweb coroner whose baseless claim of the left) being dead is supposed to have authority?
Because words have meanings. The “left” does not embrace the political elite, nor cheer war, nor heap adoration on capitalism or the capitalist class. Liberals aren’t leftists.
Don't come in here with this shit unless you wanna eat a ban.
@S.L. Is right tho. The word @WFSL_TheFossil is looking for is “liberal”. Leftists have always been adamantly opposed to the DNC as a political arm of the ruling elite. They only vote democrat out of fear of the RNCs brand of the ruling elite. They’re not communists either.
P.S. How ironic you threaten us with bans. Are you trying to censor us?
One cannot be both a leftist and a capitalist. Democrats are definitely capitalists--look at where their money comes from FFS!--therefore they are not leftists, no matter what they or you or anyone else labels them.
They're kleptocratic, oligarchical, and tyrannical assholes, and they deserve every ounce of disdain you can hurl at them, but they are not leftists.
You might be surprised at how much in common you have with actual leftists.
Hi there.
The issue at hand here isn't semantic dick pulling over what a leftist is or isn't. Knock it off.
I agree. Why do these things always go off crazy?
One may be a "Leftist" in the past tense. But it does not apply today.
Same goes to you. That's a useless discussion.
I ban for being boring or stupid. You can guess which you might be.
Trump already had four years. Weak sauce administration, as you pointed out yesterday, when you were presumably sober. No drained swamp. No disassembled oligarchy. Considerable derangement on the left, which was a bad thing then and continues to be bad.
Neither of these craven, corrupt, rapidly-imploding political machines, or the pathetic presidents they have hawked up, stands for anything our forebears would recognize as an American value. Sitting on a fence is a perfectly admirable strategy to keep from being mired in bull's shit.
Don't get jerked around.
Like I said, it’s not about him. It’s about us.
Not trying to change youre mind (because I know nothing will) but it’s really funny how you’re gut reaction is correct (to vote for “us”) is followed up by an absolutely idiotic decision to vote for the Republican nominee. The RNC and DNC are just two sides of the ruling elite that don’t have ANY of our interests in mind. The more thoughtful decision would be to vote 3rd party and begin a United movement to dethrone the duopoly. What would George Washington do? The man who warned us all along about two party systems
Occams Razor after the past 8 years:
Nothing else worked, this is the next step....
“You lead from the front.”
Audie Murphy
my man <3
At your service
Q in oppressed you have to be to
What?
Time to put up or shut up.
Here I am a fool in every sense of the word speaking in my words to save the fence sitters. So here we go point by point 24hrs later.
No one, no one is avoiding the "attempted assassination" phrase including all media and the current administration up to Joe Biden.
There is no 'they' seeking power in this case other than a misguided 20 year old with his hands on an AK 47 type assault weapon at about 500' away from trump. I am certainly not one of 'they'.
Yes, you are hyperbolic (Language that exaggerates or overstates the truth, (for those not knowing this term)) because of your assumptions about all the rest of us. But yes we should be outraged and have the occasion to be outraged everyday from gun violence and the lack of gun control measures and enforcement. Yes I know about the second amendment and its convoluted interpretation. The second responsibility of a national government after national defense is the protection of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. None of which the slain firefighter's family have right now. That fireman was in no one's way and neither am I.
Yes, a lying sociopath is that dude. You absolutely cannot believe anything he says. As an example, listen to what he accuses others of doing and think if that accusation does not define trump's actions. As the president he is that big of a threat. We do not condone assassination, but we do condone voting. Voting against trump is the way to avoid a premature disaster. Let the universe handle disasters. Waiting for him to pull some "hitler bullshit" is not the answer. Do not be a Neville Chamberlain and hold your nose while you vote. Voting for trump due to the actions of a misguided 20-year-old is not a measure of standing up for yourself.
Voting because of altruistic desires for your family your community and your culture and of responsible action towards our "small blue dot" is standing up for yourself. So who do we vote for?
There are oligarchic cronies and idiots in both parties. Both the individual character of the president and the party agenda is what we vote for based on my experience of soon to be voting in my 15th presidential election.
So let us use voting records as indication of character. Joe Biden has years of public policy voting records. You may not agree with all of them but there is a record for determining his character. With trump we have the apprentice, Miss Universe Pageant (mostly personal votes on which candidate to grab) and votes by proxy from the existing Supreme Court. You have to decide about these voting records without holding your nose and certainly not behaving by seeing no evil, hearing no evil and speaking no evil.
Party agendas are revealed by these votes. Do you want someone else deciding your personal rights (republicans) or liberty and justice for all (democrats)?
The one aspect of all of this we do agree on is to vote. 65-70 % of registered voters participate in presidential elections. With a 51% margin of victory, it means either candidate represents 32-35% of the voters. Now there's a case of this shit definitely don’t fly.
Joe Biden is dying. I'm speaking literally. He has dementia. Who is running the government?
Like I said in the piece, it's not about Trump. It's about me and what I will or won't accept.
At minimum, voting for Trump is a "fuck you" to all the idiots that got us here.
So that's what I'm going to do.
Yeah. The Hitler thing backfired.
This event should scare the hell out of every American. Regardless of political affiliation. How much more evidence do people need to understand our government will do what it damn well pleases and don’t get in the way.
You do know this was done by a misguided child.
Fair enough! Thanks for acknowledging (not in so many words, but still) that Trump is a 1980s blowhard Democrat. That really helps me ascertain whether you just think he's actually a good man.
Oh, he’s not. lol
I’m at work, but I’ll do my proper response to this later. No I will not argue that Biden (or any Phag the DNC puts up there) is a better vote. Still though, ya’ll might wanna sharpen your pitchforks and soak those torches in something flammable.
Well said
So are we assuming planted shooter or just regular lunatic?
Considering the kit and the shot?
Planned. He was on a roof far away using a rifle. That’s not something you just pick up one day cause HEY LOL CRAZY.
All speculation at this stage of course. Many grains of salt recommended.
That’s honest. If I was Dems/Overlords, I would not take a chance on missing. Because. Martyrdom.
I will say this thesis more than once: Dems willing to cede the election, so they can seed chaos. Like way more than George Floyd/BLM shit. If Trump is elected (I don’t see how he can’t be now), then chaos ensues. Couple cities burn. Trump looks like he can’t control shit. Dems to the rescue in 2028. Many thing can go wrong with that. God knows what you trigger, or what backfires.
Chaos 2024 gonna win this election by a landslide
Four years is not really so long. Elites have been trying to create their perfect universe of freedom for the few for a lot longer than four years.
Also true. They have money to wait out anything.
His father purchased it for him……MSM report
There are only two possible explanations for leaving an open elevated platform 125 yards from Trump -- gross incompetence or willful complicity.
If it's the latter, it will be treated as the former and a few agents will get thrown under the bus for following orders. If it's the former, the same thing will happen.
As for the shooter, he obviously did some planning for it. That doesn't exclude mental illness, as lots of floridly insane people have an unbreakable focus on their idee fixé. And whether or not he had a diagnosis or a prescription, mentally stable people generally don't decide to assassinate political figures.
This race isn’t really about Trump. It’s actually about the VP. In the arena of morality, character, competence, and positive direction of travel, the contest between Vance and Harris isn’t even in the same universe.
I always liked TR
I’ll go in on the tab.